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Go home. If it aint from close range, you just have to wait for the pellets to come out later. Many of us had guns, although I never knew of any used in a fight. But that was once in a while, you know? Then, you know, the blacks started coming in and naturally there was tension and we banded together. It looked like an epidemic had destroyed the place. Ill be honest with you, the Spanish guys had a little more guts than the black guys. Each of us bought our own uniforms and equipment and we all chipped in for our bus fees for away games. In the 1950s and 60s the youth gangs in the Bronx, New York, emerged with a particular notoriety. Dion, whose last name is DiMucci, had been a member of the Bronx, New York street gang the Fordham Baldies when he joined musical forces with Carlo Mastrangelo, Freddy Milano, and Angelo D'Aleo, who were part of a rival gang, the Imperial Hoods. Joey DiMassi is leader of the Fordham Baldies, respected for his fairness and decency. We were at war with two clubs called the Dukes and the Arabian Knights. Oh yeah, and if you went down on a girl then, you couldnt walk around the neighborhood afterward. The force would cause the rubber band to shoot a .22 bullet. Both Frank and Vincent were packing fully loaded automatic pistols. There was one place on South 9th where the landlordhe was a Hasidicsaw that as long as we were in the building, none of the tenants complained about the addicts burglarizing them or people shooting up in the hallways or on the roof or anything like that. The RailRoad Boys, East New York/Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn. And nobody could fuck with that. We had a building on the Southside that we painted up with Free Sonny Barger. He was the Hells Angels national president who was locked up at the time. You were whacked out of your face. He might have been black, he might have been Puerto Rican, and then that was it, the shit started. But I wasnt there, I just wound up getting accused of it. A couple times, wed take somebody down there and leave em, maybe tied up, and he had to get out by himself. It went right through his forearm. And then it got built up even more. The father ended up getting most of them back after people started getting arrested with them, because he came home and reported them stolen. Wed cut a hole in the fence, go in the cemetery, and have make-out sessions. And that would touch it off right away, because theyd start yelling back at us, and before you knew it, wed be running down on the railroad tracks, theyd be running up. The biggest place we would go was the Starship. Because we were like brothers. One of my friends who I wanted to get high with said, You wanna get high, you gotta watch this. And he shot up and he said, Im doing this so you can see what I do, and I said, I dont want nothing to do with that. And I never did it. We had no real guns, just the ones that we made, which were a joke. Nowadays, everybodys got a gun or a knife. It goes something like this: While at school, a rumour makes the rounds that the Baldies are coming to the school (insert school name here). Students are in an uproar and are on pins and needles, waiting for a Baldy invasion. If they wandered to our side of the park, Bronx Park East or we into their side there was trouble. Although the Jewish residents of East Harlem moved to other areas of NYC, they stayed in the neighborhood to sell their wares, either door to door, or via a storefront business. We hung around Aberdeen Park. You know, if somebody needed to get high, you made sure they got high; if someone got locked up, you make sure when they got out, you threw a party. The Dukes were on Roebling and South 3rd, over to South 1st. Their gang was the Comanchero Chaplains. They made us have a big meeting in Junior High School 73. Teenage Gangs Kill One, Injure Six: one shot and killed, one stabbed, and four beaten in a gang fight The problem with the Bronx in 1978 was there were real gangs. Mostly we drank wine. The 2 external links that I supplied give a lot more detail and documentation, and I suggest that the next editor of this piece start there. This is how I remember it because I was raised in El Barrio and in Washington Heights from the early 50s and 60s. The Unknowns used to be from Union to Rodney, Metropolitan to like South 4th. The balcony on 204th and the 'tunnels', and the whole area surrounding Twin Lakes was our turf! I think he got arrested. I think I shot two or three times with my .25 before it jammed. I was trying to find my way out, and I went into this room and there was an opium den. I buried three of my brothers because of being in gangs and being involved in drugs and living in the ghetto. Sometimes wed say, Come on up. He was able to shed some light on his father Mario and how he felt about Ernests death at the hands of the Red Wings. For each institution, films are listed by release date, starting with the most recent. Youre walking down the street, you see somebody that you dont like, who isnt in your gang. We went for the cheap wine. They had some young girls on like Oprah or something who said that. But it made a big noise and a flash of light. Later on we had a clubhouse where wed hang out all the time. I always sniffed. I was first in a gang when I lived in East Harlem. He was out on the street. They were like, Oh, its not bad. Yeah, it was nice. That was when the Bronx was burning. The two toughest guys would fight it out, and that was how it worked. This was way before anybody was selling drugs. THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF FORDHAM UNIVERSITY ATHLETICS Main Navigation Menu. Sometimes after I got done kicking her ass, one of my girlfriends would come and, you know, kick her ass some more. Mostly a lot of chains, bats, and knives. If anything happened to one of us, we had all of these guys. He got stitched up, and we hung out and got high afterward. Overdosed, stuff like that. In fact, sometimes the girls would rumble with other clubs without the guys knowing. Their rivals were the Harlem Dragons, who killed one of their own in 1955.The Demons who they had vicious rumbles with. Wasnt too much of a fight. Jun.1, 1954 - Several Members of the Red Wings' gang from East Harlem drove to Fordham Baldies turf in the Bronx and shoot dead Ernest Montuoro after being insulted in a fracas at Orchard Beach. If you remember the scene where they tied a rope to the penises of two guys on a bridge and threw a cinder block over the side down to the a river, that was the Bronx River near French Charlie's baseball field. So a lot of guys ODd. I stayed in there for what seemed like three hours, but it was probably 15 minutes. I think that had a lot to do with the fact that I wasnt a member. Thats the way the neighborhood was. "When they were shooting the recruiting scene with the Fordham Baldies," Price recalled, "the actors were hanging out on the intersection of the Grand Concourse and Fordham Road right by Alexander's Department Store and Loew's Paradise, this massive Moorish movie palace. DiVincenzos elbow took another bullet, which passed through his arm. So I ran down the block, and theres a restaurant there, still exists to this day, and I went into the restaurant because I knew the owner. Actually, I wish I could go back a couple years. First, we need to find some places that we could link to this page, so it gets some visibility. You have it all. I could make up to $20. On a warm Saturday night, wed all be up on the hill. formed. It was just fighting all the time. We also used the 'whistle' as an all clear after the cops had given up chasing us around and it was safe to come back out. Us, the Chaplains, and the Spanish guys all got together and they gave us an ultimatum: Either we made peace or we were gonna start going to jail. One time we were having a fight and we had a couple of guys up on a roof. I dont have any emotions anymore. People were sniffing glue, so the bodegas began to sell glue because it was so popular. I used to steal a lot from factories. About ten months ago I received an email from the son of Mario Montuoro. You have to flip your colors. They started getting nasty. Because if you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, you took an ass whupping. I've watched the movie The Wanderers each time it's been on, and still get a kick out of how the Ducky gang was supposed to be represented. After the Kennedy assassination, somebody opened up the door and let the drugs in. Their turf was around Jefferson Park, 116th Avenue and Pleasant Ave. It got to a point where a gang called the Fordham Baldieswho were like the biggest Italian gang in the Bronxheard about us and came down and made us a brother club. We were trying to imitate them. Mostly it was breaking into factories in Brooklyn. The Fordham Rams are members of NCAA Division I and compete in the Atlantic 10 Conference for most sports. The Woodside Chiefs, teenage boys, were self funded. Unknown Bikers were just big in Williamsburg, South 9 Bikers the same. It was easier to sell. Then they got out of the cars a second time and the guy ran away and Frankie ran after him. Violence back then, if you put it on a scale, Id say it was about a seven. Click here to learn more about Ernests life as well as pictures of Ernie before he was killed. Fourth, sources.I will be doing some more research and adding much more information. Like I remember coming home and having my sister-in-law crying, and I would walk in the house and make believe I didnt know why. His laugh reflex got fucked-up. From time to time, wed bump into them and theyd make fun of us like, Hey, we got your park. They cornered him, stabbed him three times, and shot him in the ass. I didnt do that. Inside, sipping a soda, was Ernest Montuoro. It really wasnt a good way to come up, but thats just the way the neighborhood was. Unlike the idiotic movie the wanderers, however, they didn't have any blacks in the gang, they went around to other neighborhoods to see if they could find some to beat up. I think I was under that car for half an hour, until I heard my guys yelling my name. On that day the Baldies happened to be in Section 11 and when someone asked for help, they proceeded to Section 17 to inform the Red Wings that this was their area. Mario felt partially responsible for his brothers death and it was something that troubled him for his entire life. That was when the neighborhood was mostly German, Irish, and Italian. Interestingly, this second nephew of Ernests that emailed me works just a few miles from where Ernest was shot and killed. In the 1950s and 60s the youth gangs in the Bronx, New York, emerged with a particular notoriety.. One gang, the Fordham Baldies were reputed to shave the heads, and other body parts, of those they caught. Indeed, I started this at someone else's suggestion, with the understanding that s/he would pick up from there. Clubs may be doing their dirt, but the people on the block aint bitching because they do good for the block. If you want to have a "See also" section where wiki articles on bklyn etc gang-related movies, etc are handled, I guess you could, but I didn't particularly feel the need so I didn't. I remember a particular time when a group of us girls had a rumble with a gang called the Seven Immortals. Then you had all these other little clubs in between. Theres a lot of people walking around messed up to this day, and a lot of people dead. There are 41 of them, and each member is a serious brawler. Italians were Italians in those days. For everybodyespecially our people but even for strangers, what we called Merigans, like Ameriganswe had respect for all of them. I lived in abandoned buildings with them. Back in the early days, we used to have a habit of snatching their hats. I dont want to glorify it, because for todays youth theres nothing to glorify in gangs, but back then it was what we did to survive. Colors are more respected than your whole family. at a dance between the Lucky Lords and the Counts. They gave my brother a summons, and I stood in jail for a decade and change. It made more money. I also belonged to a gang from Mount Vernon, a somewhat more serious group. Search . You lived in the neighborhood, you joined a gang. But you can find where it was filmed on this list. You have every type of person in every club. Bellagio99 20:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]. They ran books, they stole, they shylocked money They ran the neighborhood, whatever they did. If youre in my club, I take you at face value. You went home, you needed a couple of stitches, you know, you went to the neighborhood drugstore, you got butterfly stitches. There was a lot of acrimony between the Red Wings and Puerto Rican gangs from East Harlem like the Dragons and Viceroys. I went over to the South 9th Bikers in early 1980, the same year I went to jail. On February 23, 2018, my book on the Mau Maus and Sand Street Angels, who were two Brooklyn youth gangs from the 1950s, has . Everybody wants to make a name for themselves, a reputation. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open and connected. It was about territory. There was always some guy who got beat up and they took the sweater and we had to go find out who took it and get it back. But it isnt like we were setting out to take over the building. We were in the papers more than the president. Wed break into cars, stuff like that. And we used to ride over to East 3rd in Manhattan, to the Hells Angels, and visit with them and whatnot. We called ourselves the Capris if you can believe it. In Williamsburg, where we were, it was the Majestics, the Dukes, the Unknown Bikers, South 9 Bikers, Spanish Kings, Devil Rebels, Dirty Ones, and a bunch more. On the next block, one block past Bushwick Avenue, was Aberdeen Park. There were real gangsters around too. The gangs -- with names such as the Ducky Boys, Del Bombers and Fordham Baldies (who really are bald) -- are racially segregated. We were sitting on the corner of Longwood, drinking beer, and this particular club came by and started shooting. If anything, wed protect them. We had a clubhouse. Five leather jacket clad Astoria gangs almost mix it up with It was on 42nd between Eighth and Ninth in the back of a parking lot. We werent selling, we were just using. They yell one word in Yiddish, and everybody comes out the woodwork. To this day, we still hang out, and wed do anything for each other. Not in my memory! I personally didnt believe in jumping people. I was 13 or 14 when I started. Then of course the cops picked up on it, and it got to be really tough. True, that could be any college. Our "uniform" was teal bowling shirts with black velvet vertical stripes. Chapter leaders, members, and advisors will be part of the Active Minds Chapter Network upon activation and will . Basically the territory was divided by the Bronx River that ran through the park. The Woodside Chiefs were a Pop Warner, multi-division, football team from 1955 thru 1965. 1926), Words gane to the kitchen,And words gane to the ha,That Marie Hamilton gangs wi bairnTo the hichest Stewart of a.Unknown. We protected women. One of the Red Wings yelled out, Are you the Fordham Baldies? At hearing this, Bernard, Angelo and Ernest approached the vehicle, standing about seven feet from the curb. I joined around 1960, when I was 13. Our gang was the wiseguys, you know what I mean? If you dont do it, youre not part of the crew. We ran out of a restaurant without paying one time, ran down into this building, and they had like catacombs. Then Id go into this one restaurant, talk to the guy I knew there, find out if there was any food from breakfast left99 percent of the time there wasand hed pack it up and give it to me. And then when youre like 13 or 14, you start to hang out a little bit and the older guys start to notice you and start to talk to you and before you knew it youd been groomed into what they were. Gang wars were very infrequent and when they did occur hardly ever was there any firearms used. I carried a .25, then later a 9 mm. This was not the end of the Red Wings gang, however. I mean, we liked to have a good old-fashioned fight and beat the hell outta each other, but we never had no intentions of, Lets go down there and kill a few of em. We all lived in the same neighborhoodthat was another reason why we werent out to kill each other. You lived in one building, and the buildings to your left and right were abandoned, because they were gutted out by fires. I mean, I could have been arrested for date rape a million times. They help people out. If you looked down the hill toward Evergreen Avenue, there was a schoolyard, and thats where all the black kids used to hang out. Nobody ever bothered to call the cops, because everybody wanted to just take care of him. The son made it seem like it was a burglary, and we made off with all his weapons. They became my brothers and sisters. You get high. I would go anywhere Jews worked because on Fridays, they cant put on the light, the air conditioning, nothing. You dont fly your colors in my hood unless youre in one of my brother clubs. Its cheaper than coke, and you get whacked on it. down on them. Our drug of choice then was heroin. Apparently Mario and Ernest looked very much alike and although Mario didnt discuss the death of his brother, it was something that Marios son always knew about. Tvoz | talk 06:11, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply], I agree with and understand all the changes. Im 50 now, and I havent been back. I would break into the sweater factory, the clothes factory, the pillow factory I even broke into a coffin factory one day. I caught a few. I go to a funeral now and I dont even cry. I have very fond memories of all the people I met there. Unlike the idiotic movie the wanderers, however, they didn't have any blacks in the gang, they went around to other neighborhoods to see if they could find some to beat up. We were just crooks, you know what I mean? The Ducky was not predominantly irish or anything else, but yes, we were certainly a 'large' group. Eventually everybody said, Were not going to dance no more. All except the sadistic Ducky Boys who seem to suddenly materialize at the opportune moment, are more like social clubs and do little besides partying and hanging out. We had a riot on Fulton Street one time, and thats what we did. Wed drink Night Train. Can't remember all their name and only some of their last names. The Fordham Baldies in a way were my first singing group, They would back up my singing and guitar playing in my Bronx Neighborhood, Schoolyard Parties, Our Clubroom Dances,1956, 1957 "Gang Slang" By PHILIP BENJAMIN New York Times (1857-Current file); Oct 20, 1957; pg. I ran up and down the fire escape, taking a lot of the tenants out. This was found to be a nice touch in the Wanderers movie, but in reality, the Fordham Baldies were named for the Bald Eagle and had the Duck's Ass or "D.A." 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